Will you be changing your N95 ?

[mcbain]

Originally Posted by IJM

There is far to many of you being logical.

I guess I am a self confessed Nokia freak, each time a new one comes out. I HAVE to have it. ha!

I'm a bit like you IJM, but i will be keeping my N95.
However, i'm heading to Hong Kong in a couple of months, so will try to get a bargain on an N96 to ACCOMPANY my N95.

[abudabu]

Originally Posted by pseudofinn

It's been mentioned before, quite a few times- the Tube is not intended to be a high-end device. It's really intended to be touch device for the mass market. It's going to be cheap- it's not going to satisfy very many N95 users- certainly not the sort that visit this forum. The touch device that users like ourselves are going to be waiting for will follow it- hopefully not to far after... but this is not intended to satisfy high-end mobile users- just to bring touch to the masses.

YEah. I get what you mean...however, I needed s'thing which gives me the advantage of a full keyboard, along with a high end camera on the fone.

Even if it DOES happen to be a low end phone, I think it'll still be priced around $400-$500? That's still not "cheap" and "for the mass market". Unless Nokia gets to work on getting their fones on contract to at&t or T-mob customers, it'll still remain barely popular in North America.

If you're referring to a QWERTY Nseries device that rivals the specs (or better!) of the N95- this is in the works according to many sources. Not much information on it.

HEh. I hope so. However, I think till at least the end of 2008, Nokia will be busy with the release of the N96, and then the tube. I don't forsee any QWERTY keyboard fone by Nokia releasing before 2009.

Not likely to get a launch date- Nokia doesn't really do that much. Rumors and certain actions by Nokia heavily point towards announcements on certain dates- but they really don't announce announcement dates in advance. That's Apple marketing. At any rate- I think we're hearing Sept-Oct release for the 5800.

hmmm...I think more like Nov-Dec. (if that!)

I really don't agree with this. Apple hasn't really 'thrown the door open' to developers. It might seem like it at first glance- but if you listen to what Apple tells you... ;)

Well, neither has windows...but they haven't behaved anti-developer like Symbian.

At any rate- there's a reason for developer certification. The ranting on this kinda gets old. There's over 8 THOUSAND apps available for S60 that don't need to be signed- aside from something like 'rotateme' (which is cool I'll admit- but is it really going to push you to Samsung or elsewhere because Samir can't get it signed?) or hacked software- what do you need signed?

I think an application LIKE rotateme will push anyone to a better fone.

When I initially had the Nokia n95, the forums would be buzzing with small-time developers creating software-after-software. They'd do some beta testing, release it to ppl like you and me, within hours they'd get feedback on bugs, and improvements, and we'd have working apps within 2 weeks.

NOwdays, forget about it.

Anyway- RE: all the N96 'upgrade' talk... anyone like to play games on the N95?

YouTube - N95 vs N96: Gaming

Whatley's video is well worth a look. Clearly the N96 isn't up to spec of the N95 on several counts. There's advancements sure- but aside from the confusing numerology Nokia uses- this should just NOT be considered an upgrade for an existing N95 user IMO... unless they have a decent charge left in the device at the end of a day (smaller battery than N95 8GB and NAM variants) and don't care for gaming (no 3d acceleration). If FP2 a kickstand and the styling of the N81 do it for you- by all means... but it's not going to replace my N95.

EAch to his own I guess ;)

[93tid]

Originally Posted by abudabu

Well, neither has windows...but they haven't behaved anti-developer like Symbian.

I think an application LIKE rotateme will push anyone to a better fone.

When I initially had the Nokia n95, the forums would be buzzing with small-time developers creating software-after-software. They'd do some beta testing, release it to ppl like you and me, within hours they'd get feedback on bugs, and improvements, and we'd have working apps within 2 weeks.

NOwdays, forget about it.

Why would you need RotateMe from Samir when ASR (N82, N95-2 on V.20, etc.) and even a FlipSilent equivalent is already incorporated in new Nokia phones (E66)?

Did you miss the 8000+ applications already available for S60 without needing to be signed - don't you think that there's not much left out there to be developed, hence "forums are not buzzing" with new software as much as 18 months ago ?

[fldude99]

Going back on topic..since they finally turned 3G on in my necka the woods..I may change my 95-1 for a 95-3..I'm just thinking it's not worth the hassle and it's a little late in the game for that...another device must be in the works for the NA AT&T 3G frequency soon enough? I can't remember last time I had a device for more than a year and still be ok with it

[pseudofinn]

Originally Posted by abudabu

YEah. I get what you mean...however, I needed s'thing which gives me the advantage of a full keyboard, along with a high end camera on the fone.

You might want to consider an N95/N810 combo. N810 makes a WONDERFUL companion device.

That goes for @mcbain too- why an N96/N95 combo? You might be interested in checking out the N810 for a companion device. N95 and N96 don't really go along that well together- both great devices, but not sure why someone would want to carry both of them...?

Might be worth getting in touch with WOM World to see if they can supply you with an N810 to demo for a couple weeks. You might really like it. If you're as much of a Nokia freak as you seem... I think you'll really like what the N95/N810 combo can offer you- especially if you have a good mobile data plan.

Originally Posted by abudabu

Even if it DOES happen to be a low end phone, I think it'll still be priced around $400-$500? That's still not "cheap" and "for the mass market". Unless Nokia gets to work on getting their fones on contract to at&t or T-mob customers, it'll still remain barely popular in North America.

1.) Mass market certainly isn't the US. Nokia isn't barely popular in North America. ;)
2.) Quite likely that well see a push for this on AT&T networks anyhow- as well as Euro providers, most likely free on contract. That's afordable enough to put it in the hands of people who still aren't sure about tossing out a hundred quid (x2 for USD) on an iPhone.
3.) I don't even think unlocked it's going to be 4-500 dollars...

Originally Posted by abudabu

HEh. I hope so. However, I think till at least the end of 2008, Nokia will be busy with the release of the N96, and then the tube. I don't forsee any QWERTY keyboard fone by Nokia releasing before 2009.

I wouldn't be so sure. Nokia is capable of annoucing and shipping more than two devices in a quarter. They released a couple dozen devices this year- and there's plenty more to come. Nokia has the most advanced and sophisticated logistics department the world has ever seen- they can handle it. ;)

Originally Posted by abudabu

hmmm...I think more like Nov-Dec. (if that!)

Perhaps- but a lot of people are saying September-October. Remember- I speak with many Nokians and quite a few other insiders on a daily basis. It's all speculation of course- and if I had actually heard anything concrete, I'd not be at liberty to say... but a release for the 5800 post-2008? No.

Originally Posted by abudabu

Well, neither has windows...but they haven't behaved anti-developer like Symbian.

Dude- no offense, I don't think you're really getting the picture- you call Symbian "anti-developer" and claim that Apple has "thrown the door open"?? Seriously... calling Symbian anti-developer is- well, it's a bit off to say the least.

Originally Posted by abudabu

I think an application LIKE rotateme will push anyone to a better fone.

Are you serious??

When I initially had the Nokia n95, the forums would be buzzing with small-time developers creating software-after-software. They'd do some beta testing, release it to ppl like you and me, within hours they'd get feedback on bugs, and improvements, and we'd have working apps within 2 weeks.

NOwdays, forget about it.

I don't think that's necessarily true at all. There are still a good amount of homebrew apps coming from small developers for one. Secondly- the big push in coding that you might have seen a bit ago is likely attributed to the release of tools for the accelerometer. Most of the applications of this have been tackled. Things like that come in spurts generally- and there's still little apps like that rolling out all the time.

Originally Posted by abudabu

EAch to his own I guess ;)

Indeed, mate. No offense intended by any of this- I just really don't agree with many of your points. :no idea:


@fldude99- N96 will have AT&T 3G (and TmobUS), if it interests you. ;)

Do you use much mobile data? Personally, I'll never purchase another device without US 3G again- but I use mobile data constantly. I need the faster speed. It really depends on your needs if it's going to be worth it to switch up. 3G really made my N95 a different beast.

[abudabu]

Originally Posted by 93tid

Why would you need RotateMe from Samir when ASR (N82, N95-2 on V.20, etc.) and even a FlipSilent equivalent is already incorporated in new Nokia phones (E66)?

Did you miss the 8000+ applications already available for S60 without needing to be signed - don't you think that there's not much left out there to be developed, hence "forums are not buzzing" with new software as much as 18 months ago ?

As I said, my MAIN need in a fone is a QWERTY keyboard (because I txt a lot), with a Good camera option. The closest that came to it was the E71, and i've heard the camera dissapoints.

I've had "flip-silent", and it's a tremendous battery drainer. I've gone through a LOT of the 8000+ applications you've mentioned, and only a few have caught my eye. As a single, IT consultant, living in the US...so far the only one's I've found great were rotateMe, PhoNetInfo, Opera Mini, emTube, X-plore, Restart and a coupla other ones. None of these help in making txting easier...plus fones coming out now already have better working 5mpx cameras. It's just...time to move on.

SE and Samsung are coming out with 8 mpx cameras now. Where's Nokia?

Sure Nokia got the E71 device...but Blackberry's already doing MANY MANY of the features the E71 has to offer.


If the development has stopped because everything possible to develop, has been developed..then thats fine. Every operating software has it's limitations, and I would say Symbian provided US some GREAT softwares in the meantime. But none of the fones coming out by Nokia are in leiu with what I want...which is QWERTY with a great camera phone (with flash), and if possible HSDPA 850/1900 for 3G internet browsing.

I could go over to Apple...but I refuse. The only fone suitable for my needs right now..is the Samsung Omnia (and darn it, they're not shipping HSDPA 850/1900 for America as yet...only the bloody HSDPA 2100 for Europe/Asia), or the HTC Touch Diamond (which dissapoints with it's 3.2 camera - no flash), but has an admirable TouchFlo3D and windows based UI...as well as having 3G for America

[abudabu]

Originally Posted by pseudofinn

You might want to consider an N95/N810 combo. N810 makes a WONDERFUL companion device.

That goes for @mcbain too- why an N96/N95 combo? You might be interested in checking out the N810 for a companion device. N95 and N96 don't really go along that well together- both great devices, but not sure why someone would want to carry both of them...?

Might be worth getting in touch with WOM World to see if they can supply you with an N810 to demo for a couple weeks. You might really like it. If you're as much of a Nokia freak as you seem... I think you'll really like what the N95/N810 combo can offer you- especially if you have a good mobile data plan.

My thing is, I want 1 device. Not 2. The N810 is a great tablet with internet capability, but to make a fone call, I need the N95 right?

How about I just get the HTC shift or advantage then? It's even got call making capabilities!

So the more I play around with options, the more I prioritize my needs..and the more I realize...the N96, e71, or any of Nokia's upcoming fones..have got nothing for me. Or atleast, when it comes to my priorities...which is in order:
a) QWERTY keyboard
b) Great Camera + flash
c) Looks and design
d) Touchscreen (if possible)

1.) Mass market certainly isn't the US. Nokia isn't barely popular in North America. ;)
2.) Quite likely that well see a push for this on AT&T networks anyhow- as well as Euro providers, most likely free on contract. That's afordable enough to put it in the hands of people who still aren't sure about tossing out a hundred quid (x2 for USD) on an iPhone.
3.) I don't even think unlocked it's going to be 4-500 dollars...

TRue that. Nokia doesn't look at America as a mass market. I even managed to have 2 of my friends change over from the original iphone to the N95 8GB when they saw the features my N95 had on it. However, so far Nokia's tube still looks in the testing stages...the final annoucement, and then selling date to me doesn't seem to be in Aug-Sept, or even Oct. but that's just my feeling, having been a Nokia fan for over 5 years.
I think the unlocked Nokia tube will be around the $400-$500 range.

I wouldn't be so sure. Nokia is capable of annoucing and shipping more than two devices in a quarter. They released a couple dozen devices this year- and there's plenty more to come. Nokia has the most advanced and sophisticated logistics department the world has ever seen- they can handle it. ;)



Perhaps- but a lot of people are saying September-October. Remember- I speak with many Nokians and quite a few other insiders on a daily basis. It's all speculation of course- and if I had actually heard anything concrete, I'd not be at liberty to say... but a release for the 5800 post-2008? No.




Dude- no offense, I don't think you're really getting the picture- you call Symbian "anti-developer" and claim that Apple has "thrown the door open"?? Seriously... calling Symbian anti-developer is- well, it's a bit off to say the least.

MOst of it is speculation for now. I'm looking at devices that are on the market now...as opposed to what MIGHT be available 2-3 or 5 months down the line.

I AM calling Symbian anti-developer now. It wasn't the best when intially ppl started making softwares using N95 in-built accelerometer and v9.3, and the whole Symbian Signed process was kinda wack!, but still passable. Now, you and I both know how pathetic it has become. And it's NOT nokia's fault, it's Symbian. What's with the developer cert. and long waiting time to get any apps signed by Symbian? The more transparent, and quicker this process is...the better for developers and for Nokia users. I myself, know a developer who got tired of Symbian and its "policies" and the long-waiting period..and has switched over to developing apps for Apple.

Are you serious??

I'm serious. I didnt have rotateMe on my fone for almost 5 months after I reformatted my fone. I missed rotateMe, and misplaced the N95accelerometer.sis file which is needed for it..hence couldn't play many games. All these should have a systematic and easy way of being on Symbain or Nokia's website under some download tab..not requiring users to wade through forums, hacking the fone themselves and looking for latest versions of obtuse softwares.

I don't think that's necessarily true at all. There are still a good amount of homebrew apps coming from small developers for one. Secondly- the big push in coding that you might have seen a bit ago is likely attributed to the release of tools for the accelerometer. Most of the applications of this have been tackled. Things like that come in spurts generally- and there's still little apps like that rolling out all the time.

Maybe. Haven't seen anything particularly eye-catching. Mainly themes is what I see on n95users.com atleast.

Indeed, mate. No offense intended by any of this- I just really don't agree with many of your points. :no idea:


@fldude99- N96 will have AT&T 3G (and TmobUS), if it interests you. ;)

Do you use much mobile data? Personally, I'll never purchase another device without US 3G again- but I use mobile data constantly. I need the faster speed. It really depends on your needs if it's going to be worth it to switch up. 3G really made my N95 a different beast.

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That's fine mate. Agree to disagree is what we can do here. N96 will have At&t 3G, but i'm betting the device to sell unlocked at more than $650.00 easy. the ONLY nokia device at&t has in stores now is the N75. Psshhh!!

I agree 3G data speeds is amazing. Which is why my heart-broke when I learned of the Omnia only being shipped out in HSDPA 2100 (europe/asia) and not only the US frequency - HSDPA 850/1900...and hence why I STILL haven't ordered my Omnia. :(

And the worst part is, this is making me think of the apple iphone 3g even more now...since I would get it for $199 on my contract.

[samperry209]

march 2009 i will make my decision atm i love my n95 but 1 thing is i will stay with nokia i think unless something else comes up

[Bartmanekul]

Originally Posted by abudabu

So the more I play around with options, the more I prioritize my needs..and the more I realize...the N96, e71, or any of Nokia's upcoming fones..have got nothing for me. Or atleast, when it comes to my priorities...which is in order:
a) QWERTY keyboard
b) Great Camera + flash
c) Looks and design
d) Touchscreen (if possible)

Im a bit confused tbh. You keep mentioning the iphone but camera is second in your list.

Since qwerty is top of your list, I still think the E71 is your thing, or even the E90.

3.2 isnt as good as 5, but its probably the best compromise your going to get.

Your list really narrows things down. Your looking at a few HTC models, or the X1 basically. Or the E71 if your willing to go without touchscreen.

If you really dont like that, then wait for the X1.

[samperry209]

Originally Posted by Bartmanekul

Im a bit confused tbh. You keep mentioning the iphone but camera is second in your list.

Since qwerty is top of your list, I still think the E71 is your thing, or even the E90.

3.2 isnt as good as 5, but its probably the best compromise your going to get.

Your list really narrows things down. Your looking at a few HTC models, or the X1 basically. Or the E71 if your willing to go without touchscreen.

If you really dont like that, then wait for the X1.

hey bart

e71 is out now.. three have them so they must be out

and argos are selling 6210 navigator for 179!