iPhones are great.....you know you want one!

[Evil Genius]

saw this and had to smile:

Top 10 Christmas gadget gifts - Times Online

the article talks about headphones but Michael Moran at The Times couldn't resist throwing in this gem "iPhones are great. Nearly everyone in Britain either has one, or is pretending not to want one".

poor, misguided fool.

[mkr100001]

I vote we have a nokia users gathering and go find this guy and the other dilluded souls that think this way and " 'ave 'em"

[MohammadAG]

The iPhone gives you so much variety and many many choices ... of fart apps

[mkr100001]

exactly mohammad. I told that to my mate the other day who's got an iphone. He had to lol, he couldnt help it

[Bartmanekul]

Theres nothing wrong with the iphone in general. If the 5800 didn't exist, I'd consider getting one. However...

They cost a huge amount, which IMO is never going to be justifiable.

It has exactly the image I don't want - as displayed by that Michael Moran person. Best description is elitist.

But I don't think hardware or app bashing is correct anymore. It's fast, has loads of useful apps which are easy to install, and lets not forget - many long time Nokia users from here have moved over.

What does that tell you?

[mkr100001]

Tells me too many people are attracted to the "shiny shinyyyy"

[kyle]

Think the iPhone bashing has got a bit silly now, if it was made by samsung for example there would be none of this. The iphone is built on good hardware and has a selection of apps us nokia users could only dream of. As much as I hate to admit it there are very few useful nokia apps out there.

Hopefully maemo will develop a backing like the iphone and thus more applications and support.

[MohammadAG]

Actually I tried the iPhone yesterday, I like all the transitions and stuff but everything I can do on it, I can do on the N97, N86 or the N900.
The only good thing in it is the fast scrolling and multi touch, I actually like to glide my hand on a screen w/o registering a touch, which is why I prefer resistive.
Cons: low res, 256MBs of RAM and it can't multitask, weak cam, weak speakers, I can go on...
If it didn't have all the apps it has and the jailbreak it would be no better than the N-Gage game deck.

[mkr100001]

you might have seen this before but i thought id post anyway while we're having a iphone debate

YouTube - SMARTphones do, iPhone doesn't - extended version.

[samperry209]

Im on my way back to Nokia guys...2010 sometime

Looking for a N96,N86

[Evil Genius]

come on guys, play nice.

i didn't start this thread to have a pop at the iPhone. far from it.

it was more to highlight how short sighted people can be when they believe the hype.

[mkr100001]

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[buxz777]

to be honest after nokias latest efforts the iphone has gone up in my opinion

they have got the 3gs pretty bang on straight out of the box , apple stores offer straight swaps for faulty units under warranty

i dont know about any of you guys but having a product that works out of the box and also has the option of over the counter warranty returns sounds really really good to me

it obvously has its downfalls with no multi tasking or replaceable battery etc but devlopers have taken to it and there are good apps apart from the fart apps and stuff theres certainly alot more intresting stuff then there is on 5th edition

it certainly doesnt effect the way its so overpriced or the way that apple have pretended to invent alot of the iphones features like voice dialling and even the touch screen

i think the iphone certainly has a future but it is moving very slowly isnt it which is another annoying thing , apple taking its time with upgrades and taking its time to evolve knowing each time they add a tiny feature they can rename it resell it and everyone will buy it oh hang on that sounds a bit like nokia since the n95 as well :-)

sam-- 2010 will see the new symbian ui maybe wait for a new handset that will sport it as iam sure nokia will up the hardware specs like the processor and ram with the new ui as the older one hardly has enough ram left at boot to run it and the processors are due a update so maybe hold of that purchase mate

[Grayburn]

to be honest after nokias latest efforts the iphone has gone up in my opinion

Same here, not saying i'm gonna get one but when my upgrade is due i'll be looking further afield then just Nokia thats for sure.

[step11angelo]

Lovely transitions but I just can't stand using it for just one application at a time... Besides, at such a price, I can get a laptop and a better specced phone.

[Homer]

it can't multitask,

It can, but it's not allowed to. That way you don't get apps closing down due to lack of memory, one of the gripes people have about Symbian, but which also happens with Unix/Linux if you run short of memory (physical + virtual).

I have a simple answer to iphone poseurs, with their fart apps anyway. I just ask them if their toy can do this?

[kyle]

you might have seen this before but i thought id post anyway while we're having a iphone debate

YouTube - SMARTphones do, iPhone doesn't - extended version.

Nokias can't do most of the things on there lol

[nirave]

to be honest after nokias latest efforts the iphone has gone up in my opinion

they have got the 3gs pretty bang on straight out of the box , apple stores offer straight swaps for faulty units under warranty

i dont know about any of you guys but having a product that works out of the box and also has the option of over the counter warranty returns sounds really really good to me

Unless you smoke or have been near a smoker or the technician looking at your phone is a smoker.

it certainly doesnt effect the way its so overpriced or the way that apple have pretended to invent alot of the iphones features like voice dialling and even the touch screen

sam-- 2010 will see the new symbian ui maybe wait for a new handset that will sport it as iam sure nokia will up the hardware specs like the processor and ram with the new ui as the older one hardly has enough ram left at boot to run it and the processors are due a update so maybe hold of that purchase mate

Apple have got it spot on in that the majority of their sales are from the US (from what I know, I could be mistaken)... Its well-known (no disrespect to our US friends on here) that Americans don't want something with a massive feature set... they want something that looks cool...

However, I do think that given the leaked images & vids of the new Symbian UI, if you couple that with an X6 style device whilst bunging an 8mp camera in there & a MicroSD slot... Nokia will finally have a device that is capable of matching the iPhone...

[buxz777]

nirave please dont take my post as an iphone vs nokia post mate , its not :-)

they cant really be compared yet , one of them does some things better then the other and vise versa

i agree that the new symbian ui looks quite good and iam waiting to see a new phone that sports it

i just think that apples quality control and after sales support is probably better then nokias , i hear many stories of people doing over the counter swaps at thurrock lakeside at the apple store and many stories of long postal repairs with nokia

i dont know may iphone users that have had major hardware issues out of the box like many nokias latley and at least when apple finally release a new model it offers something new to the replaced device and is seen as an upgrade and not a sidestep

i love nokia but i just dont think the iphone deserves so much bad bashing , apple and their false claims and apple fan boys that cant see that sometimes the grass is greener maybe , but the iphone is an allright device if not well overpriced because of the half eaten apple , it has bought many of my friends into the smartphone segment and has bought them hours of joy instead of me hours of sorting out their phone for them and gettinga dev cert etc etc

iam not comparing it to nokia phones as we all know they have a btter spec sheet when compared but i am talking about the way that nokias devices sometimes need 3 firmware upgrades to work great or come with some nice hardware faults that you have to fix or send away for repair

there are downsides to every device in my eyes so an iphone vs nokia thread could go on for ages maybe years :-) i think its easier to say they both have good points and bad points and phones from both companys do well the markets they were intended for and even sometimes in markets they wernt intended for

have a good day everyone

[mkr100001]

Nokias can't do most of the things on there lol

yeah but nokia doesnt claim its devices are the best thing sliced bread

[Evil Genius]

yeah but nokia doesnt claim its devices are the best thing sliced bread

and that's part of the problem.....they bloomin' well should!

how else are Nokia going to get it together?

"look folks, it's the new N900. it's not supposed to be a phone, it's a computer!".

"the all new X6, not quite as good as an iPhone but please like it anyway!".

[mkr100001]

just one of life's great mysteries

what ARE nokia playing at?

[buxz777]

well thats another thing about apple and the iphone , marketing.

ok the hype is unbearable sometimes and very over exagerated from some apple users etc but at least they know when the phone will hit the shops and when the firmware will be released and what to expect from the firmware

i think even though they exagerate the advertising and marketing at least they let people know whats going on etc

i know nokia have alot of phons to market and they have got better with ovi adverts etc but whats wrong with drumming advertisment of the flagship device they stock or the best bang for buck device they do , what wrong with listing some firmware improovements a month before release to let users know what to expect or getting shipping dates right on major devices

nokia needs a big shuffle i think there not bad but they could be so much better same goes for apple as well

i hate apple and the way they pretend they invented things but they do get some things right and the iphone does feel nice in the hand and do what they advertised it to do out of the box with no major problems which you have to applaud them for

i think 2010 will be a big year for nokia and i think they will either drive users away more or win us back and make us think oh bloody hell this is what theyve been doing all is forgiven now :-)

[Tommie]

i know nokia have alot of phons to market

i think 2010 will be a big year for nokia and i think they will either drive users away more or win us back and make us think oh bloody hell this is what theyve been doing all is forgiven now :-)

Yeah, first they have to many devices (about 130) and about the treadname.

iPhones are great....I agree 100%....for us consumer .

The iphone hystery have make Nokia wake up from their Sleeping Beauty Dream after the N95
and today work harder then any time to get it not only better but right,
the E72 and the work on get improvments to OVI the new Maemo OS with a new device to summer
and the new Symbian 3^which be ready in Februari and many new NFC phones and so on.

This should had happen any how but not without the iphone,
and that concern all manufactores.

2010 be a real great year for us consumers ! so thank you Apple .

[mkr100001]

The iphone hystery have make Nokia wake up from their Sleeping Beauty Dream after the N95

exactly!

"the n95 was a beast! lets not try anymore"

[buxz777]

its not just nokia and the n95 and then releasing remakes of it , motorola done the same with the razor it was very successfull they then laid back and made remakes of the razor and soon fell behind

in the technolagy world you cant sit still for a min if you want to be top of the cutting edge pile

[MohammadAG]

It can, but it's not allowed to. That way you don't get apps closing down due to lack of memory, one of the gripes people have about Symbian, but which also happens with Unix/Linux if you run short of memory (physical + virtual).

I have a simple answer to iphone poseurs, with their fart apps anyway. I just ask them if their toy can do this?

One question then, if it's not allowed to multitask (meaning it can't w/o jailbreaking it) then why did they up the RAM from 128 to 256 on the 3G S?
They up the specs for nothing!

[BubbaHotepUK]

Apparently, iPhone users are delusional:

iPhone users are delusional, consultants say | Technically Incorrect - CNET News

I can see why non-iPhone users knock the iPhone, and why iPhone users can be delusional.

The thing with the iPhone is that what it does do, it does very, very well; enabling users to access the functions of the phone. It just doesn't have the functionality some users might want from their phone.

One day we'll get all the functionality we want wrapped in a gloriously slick user interface, but until that time it's horses for courses.

One question then, if it's not allowed to multitask (meaning it can't w/o jailbreaking it) then why did they up the RAM from 128 to 256 on the 3G S?
They up the specs for nothing!

It's for games .... in addition to the RAM there is now hardware 3d acceleration in the 3GS and iPod touch, but without the RAM you can't really make use of it. Apple want to take a chunk out of the lucrative Nintendo DS/PSP gmaes market, & now they have the App Store as the perfect delivery mechanism, they just needed to bump up the hardware spec.

[MohammadAG]

It's for games .... in addition to the RAM there is now hardware 3d acceleration in the 3GS and iPod touch, but without the RAM you can't really make use of it. Apple want to take a chunk out of the lucrative Nintendo DS/PSP gmaes market, & now they have the App Store as the perfect delivery mechanism, they just needed to bump up the hardware spec.

Hmm, I somehow doubt it's for games, the N900 has the same graphics chip and about 50MBs at startup, VRAM wouldn't help the chip by a lot too.
Anyways the iPhone and the N900 are more powerful than a PSP, 600MHz OMAP3 vs 333MHz MIPS, the iPhone still doesn't have hardware keys though, so it would never be better than a handheld console.

[kyle5800]

i cant see what all the ipoo hype is about as apple have made the same phone 3 times and still each time making it more expensive and adding another feature that most nokia could do anyway ie copy and paste well the old ngage could copy text way back all them years ago and it took apple 3 goes before they added that
and after 3 phones the design has changed very little if at all
beside what does the iphone boast to be good on as there are better music phones way better camera phones and bussiness phones, only thing i can think of is a big screen for browing full web site not mobile versions but mobile vers of site exist so that they load fater and cut the cost of the internet data bill

[Evil Genius]

yes kyle. WE know where the iPhone falls short and WE also know how exceptional some of its features are. WE are in the know.

the whole point of this thread was to point out how people can jump on the bandwagon and so easily influence people through an article.

this thread was not intended to be used for iPhone bashing.

[kyle5800]

well you did start an iphone thread on a nokia forum so comments are abit one sided but if it was at a affordable price and on more networks i probably would have one

[Evil Genius]

well you did start an iphone thread on a nokia forum so comments are abit one sided

did you actually read my comments and reasoning for starting this thread in my very first post or did you just switch into your "i hate iPhones" mode without thinking?

as for being one sided, well, that depends on the depth of the individual.

[BubbaHotepUK]

Hmm, I somehow doubt it's for games, the N900 has the same graphics chip and about 50MBs at startup, VRAM wouldn't help the chip by a lot too.
Anyways the iPhone and the N900 are more powerful than a PSP, 600MHz OMAP3 vs 333MHz MIPS, the iPhone still doesn't have hardware keys though, so it would never be better than a handheld console.

You've obviously not seen all the adverts pushing the iPhone & iPod touch as a games platform, then

OpenGL is a memory hog, and Apple don't have an API for graphics that Sony/Nintendo provide, so need to go that route. You also need all that RAM for things like speech/face/location recognition, which is another direction I expect the iPhone to go into in a big way, with these 'location aware' services seemingly being the next big thing.


As for the iPhone knockers, I think the iPhone is a great little device actually; does what it says on the tin, and does most of it well. Only the most blinkered iPhone user would say it's not overpriced or without it's problems, but a lot of my friends love it despite the cost & flaws.

Anyone iPhone bashing is wasting their time; I see the Gadget Show UK viewers voted for it as "Phone of the Decade", with twice as many votes as all the other phones (including the N95 which came a distant 2nd) put together.

If it doesn't do what you need it to, don't buy it, but quit carping about it. Simplez.

[Tommie]

I dont want to bash but see this this today and I remember what happend in Stockholm..:-)

IPhone users have Stockholm Syndrome

Strand Consult report criticises loyal ‘hard core’ iPhone fans who defend the device despite its faults

Apple iPhone users could be suffering a form of Stockholm Syndrome,
according to telecoms consultant Strand Consult.

A report by the company said iPhone users’ loyalty to the device, despite its shortcomings,
is akin to that shown by hostages towards their captors – a term dubbed ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ by psychologists.

The report, entitled How Will Psychologists Describe the iPhone Syndrome in the Future?,
examines users’ commitment to the iPhone.

It states: ‘Simply put, Apple has launched a beautiful phone with a fantastic user interface,
which has had a number of technological shortcomings that many iPhone users have accepted and defended,
despite those shortcomings resulting in limitations in iPhone users’ daily lives.’

The report said the arguments used to defend the iPhone ‘reminds us of the famous Stockholm Syndrome
[where] hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing by defending the people that had held them hostage for six days.’

The report looked at 20 arguments that it claimed ‘various hard core iPhone fanatics’ use to explain the handset’s shortcomings.
These included arguments in support of ‘phone quality’ and in response to the accusation that it is
a ‘low technology phone packaged in a sleek design’ (see below).

John Strand, head of Strand Consult, said: ‘iPhone customers are so loyal
that I don’t think there is another product or manufacturer that has such loyal customers as Apple – apart from maybe the local drug dealer.’

His report prompted hundreds of emails, many from outraged iPhone users, defending the device,
‘which again proves my point’, Strand said.

Arguments used to defend the iPhone’s shortcomings

• The first iPhone was not a 3G phone: ‘What do you need 3G for?
You can easily use the iPhone without using a 3G network and anyway,
3G is not particularly widespread so this is not a problem.’

• The iPhone is a low technology phone packaged in a sleek design:
‘Apple has taken the combination of the design and user interface to the next level;
therefore the technological specifications don’t really matter.’

• The quality of the phone is poor, calls are often interrupted and network coverage is poor:
‘It is a good phone, these problems are due to the operators’ networks and not the handset.’

From iPhone loyalty analysed - Mobile Today

[BubbaHotepUK]

Hmm, I somehow doubt it's for games, the N900 has the same graphics chip and about 50MBs at startup, VRAM wouldn't help the chip by a lot too.
Anyways the iPhone and the N900 are more powerful than a PSP, 600MHz OMAP3 vs 333MHz MIPS, the iPhone still doesn't have hardware keys though, so it would never be better than a handheld console.

Thought this was interesting, Epic have got their Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 3GS.

Epic reveals latest Unreal Engine on iPhone | News | TechRadar UK

This could be a real system seller: imagine having Gears of War 2 on a mobile platform... this is way, way beyond anything anything nGage ever achieved.

Another nail in the coffin?

[RossMission]

Thought this was interesting, Epic have got their Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 3GS.

Epic reveals latest Unreal Engine on iPhone | News | TechRadar UK

This could be a real system seller: imagine having Gears of War 2 on a mobile platform... this is way, way beyond anything anything nGage ever achieved.

Another nail in the coffin?

You should check out N.O.V.A that is probably the best game on the iPhone at the minute (Graphics Wise)

YouTube - N.O.V.A. iPhone App Review - AppVee.com

The game is made by Gameloft