Interesting Programme on Technology brands

[mkr100001]

BBC iPlayer - Secrets of the Superbrands: Technology

There's a bit about mobile phones in it.


UK people only though

[samperry209]

I like BBC click as well dude

[samisnake]

just watched this.
big section on apple, nokia, sony.

discusses why apple have a fanatic following and why nokia are loosing market share.
quite a good show

[Gaz]

very good show although a little narrow minded in it's simpleness. Although that is probably so that it remained understandable by the tv watching sheep to be fair

[Wookie]

Any notes or high points for us who are blocked from watching it?

Also, why is the rest of the world not able to watch this? It makes absolutely no sense for a TV company to block people from watching their shows who otherwise could not see it.

[buxz777]

it's basically a programme looking at why companys are doing so well and so bad . In it they use Nokia as an example to a company who is now doing bad and Microsoft and apple as a brand doing well .

They take you to Nokia's india factory which is quite shocking . Nokia have done nothing for the surrounding area despite having a multi million pound factory there . The roads around the factory are just mud tracks and it is a place of poverty . Nokia should put more into the surrounding areas i found it shocking that the guy was standing 2 mins away from the factory and it was the way it was still.

They also show you how hard Nokia work their staff with a target of 750,000 phones a day . They show you staff working at benches doing phones up etc (maybe why we have such variable build quality across the board) trying to meet their targets and probably rushing to get it done .

He shows kids on the playground his Nokia phone and they laugh at him and tell him to get an iphone , he was trying to show how Nokia isnt deemed cool nowadays in many eyes .

he then goes to a market and looks at pirate Nokia handsets . The market stalls have the latest models before nokia have released them and he also blames nokia slowness on falling market share .

He does admit that he loves his Nokia still and although he enjoyed his spell with apple and android he wouldn't want to use them all the time . This is because he visits google and speaks to a person from their team that tells him how much they actually spy on you . He is shocked and says it puts him off using google as all data is collected and then can be sold on or used for marketing etc .

It is a good programme and has some interesting stuff in it . I thought the bit about Nokia and the indian factory was quite an eye opener and has made me realise why we have variable build quality in handsets . The amount of money the workers are paid and the fact Nokia hasn't done anything to the surrounding area apart from probably pollute it along with their tough targets and strict rules would make any worker unhappy etc .

I will look for it on you tube for you mate it is defo worth a watch .

[mkr100001]

The fashion one was good too

[dynomot]

Also, why is the rest of the world not able to watch this? It makes absolutely no sense for a TV company to block people from watching their shows who otherwise could not see it.

Because everyone who owns a TV set or is otherwise able to access live BBC tv in the UK is legally required to pay an annual licence fee. There are no commercial breaks on the BBC channels,their income is from the licence fee and selling of BBC shows to foreign outlets. It stinks and needs reform.

[Wookie]

Buxz:
I would appreciate it if you can find it on Youtube. It sounds like it would be worth a watch. What was the name of the show? Most of the information was blocked in the player. There is a small chance it might be shown here. I doubt it though, our BBC is too busy playing Dr. Who and old James Bond movies inbetween Top Gear and Gordon Ramsey shows.

Dyno:
I didn't know that about the BBC. It must be only in the UK though. I have BBC America and they have just a many commercials as the other channels do.

[buxz777]

YouTube - ‪socratesaka's Channel‬‏

there you go wookie , that is apprently part one , it is is a few parts mate :-) enjoy :-)

[mkr100001]

Because everyone who owns a TV set or is otherwise able to access live BBC tv in the UK is legally required to pay an annual licence fee. There are no commercial breaks on the BBC channels,their income is from the licence fee and selling of BBC shows to foreign outlets. It stinks and needs reform.

If the BBC were to open it up to everyone then all the american TV channels should do the same. I'm sick of going to mtv.com for example to watch a 3minute interview or something and being told I can't because I'm in the wrong country. They should open up the catch up videos to everyone. Quite a selfish arrangement lol

I did read something about the BBC offering iplayer to outside of the UK for a small fee, or funding it with adverts. I don't want our BBC being offered to non british citizens if we can't have their shows

[samisnake]

They take you to Nokia's india factory which is quite shocking . Nokia have done nothing for the surrounding area despite having a multi million pound factory there . The roads around the factory are just mud tracks and it is a place of poverty . Nokia should put more into the surrounding areas i found it shocking that the guy was standing 2 mins away from the factory and it was the way it was still.

while i agree with your point about a big company like nokia improving surrounding areas, isnt that really for the indian government/local authority to control?
i mean itd be like a company here having to sort out the roads and surrounding area, it wouldnt happen because its the council/governments responsibility.

as for the area still having poverty, again i think its the indian government. a lot of asian countries have a pull the ladder up jack mentality when it comes to their fellow man, so do a lot of western countries for that matter, but maybe if the indian government had a scheme to employ poor people to work for them by building roads etc, it wouldnt be as bad.

They also show you how hard Nokia work their staff with a target of 750,000 phones a day . They show you staff working at benches doing phones up etc (maybe why we have such variable build quality across the board) trying to meet their targets and probably rushing to get it done .

i had the feeling that those phones being built there were for india or nearby countries, not for worldwide distribution. the phones they are churning out are most likely the lower end models (1100 and alike) rather than higher end handsets. less parts, easier to put together meaning they can churn out more handsets.

He does admit that he loves his Nokia still and although he enjoyed his spell with apple and android he wouldn't want to use them all the time . This is because he visits google and speaks to a person from their team that tells him how much they actually spy on you . He is shocked and says it puts him off using google as all data is collected and then can be sold on or used for marketing etc .

the guy at the end in the pub was the one saying they spy on you. his name strap said he was steven davies, director of privacy international.

im not saying i dont believe him, because i actually do, despite owning an android handset, but he is the director of a privacy advocacy group, so his views are bound to be a bit more...out there, for lack of a better term.


It is a good programme and has some interesting stuff in it . I thought the bit about Nokia and the indian factory was quite an eye opener and has made me realise why we have variable build quality in handsets . The amount of money the workers are paid and the fact Nokia hasn't done anything to the surrounding area apart from probably pollute it along with their tough targets and strict rules would make any worker unhappy etc .

as with my other comment on the factory, those handsets are mainly lower end phones for emerging markets, so wouldnt really affect the build quality we have over here.

that being said, even if the phones produced over there were sold over here, i cant see how itd make a difference to build quality seeing as how many other handset makers, even nokia, use places like china to produce their handsets, and weve all heard the stories of what goes on over there.

take the iphone for example, the factories that make them would never allow a camera crew in. the staff are most likely under higher scrutiny (apple not wanting info on their latest models being released, phones going missing etc). i once saw a documentary/reality show where they went to a chinese factory which made electronic goods. the workers were made to live in accommodation adjacent to the factory and were still made to pay half their wages in rent.

i guess what im saying is that the factory in india we saw was probably nowhere near as bad as some other factories around the world making goods the west craves for.

just added a few points to your post which i saw differently.